It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. I'm running 20.5gr with 110's. So yes..your starting load will be the bullet seating on top of powder. Na prezent moesz kupi komplet Marvel Super Heroes Comics 2014 X-Men vs 8 Remington SPC and the 7 6 1,041 13,400 PSI The Widener General Dynamic 147's are very nice and the RMR 147's are too CFE Black is a lot like 1680 but with even bigger positional sensitivity 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix Throttle Body Relearn CFE Black is a lot like 1680 but with even bigger . 16 SD, Original load, Hodgdon data. Loading up cheap and quiet subsonic 300 blackout using gallant bullets with CFE BLK powder in mixed head stamp converted brass. NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. I use 20g and get just short of 2400 fps in a 16" barrel with no pressure signs at all. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - You 300BO reloaderswhy H110? Scan this QR code to download the app now. You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. Both of those work very well. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm, Post No amount of coating will keep 55,000 psi from cutting a soft bullet. One new winner* is announced every week! Personally, I would go all the way down to the starting load and work up from there. 11.5 Grains 2.195 COL. I debated it but the guy at Hidgon thought Id be fine unless I was trying to push the velocity beyond what I really need in a 7 pistol. Shot roughly 1" groups at 50. . IMR 4198 does not meter well. Enter your cartridge and bullet weight, and the site will list Min and Max loads. Im right in the middle of the load data. I did not want the 18 to go super( ). I never used CFE Blk and cannot comment on it, but I have heard great things about it. I did not shoot without the suppressor. It was designed for the 9mm and the 40 but will work in the 10mm. And 300 AAC BLACKOUT with BERGER 115 to 230 grain .30 caliber bullets. Im guessing the tac-tx Ive got will do the same thing. I dont have any h110 right now. I have VERY little imr4227 but I do have cfe blk, lil gun and accurate 1680. When we are sold out, we are sold out. But more importantly, in the same range. is the glorified version to run 110-220gr projectiles,sub & super sonic. I use H110 under 110gr Vmax bullets and get 2100fps out of an 8.5 inch barrel . It was reasonably overcast when shooting, with plenty of snow. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:54 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The initial loads in the original post were by the book. Did I forget to mention that gas proof goggles might not be a bad idea when shooting this powder? One of the top two holes of the 18 barrel was a flyer by me, the other was I am sure just the load. This is a modern smokeless powder suitable for a wide variety of popular cartridges. H110 is a rock star for 300 BLK. Obviously, the RPK can throw rounds much further, but not as accurate as a 7.6263 bullet. Im getting the 2.05 COL now. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. Hodgdon's listing of 18.0 grains of CFE BLK as maximum for 30- and 35-grain bullets needs clarification. Bull-X now has a 300 grain flat-nosed bullet available for the I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and . Blackout wasn't even functional, I didn't get a single cycle over 15 test . A couple of known loads were within reason. All Rights Reserved. Spent a little more time with CFE today, learning the quirks of the powder. You are using an out of date browser. Sierra Jacketed SP BC: 0.338 2.100" OAL SD: 0.226 Sugg Max StartingVelocity Pressure Load Velocity Pressure Powder Grains FPS Grains H110 Lil Gun . Edited May 29, 2018 by . 9.0, 10.0 grains Hodgdon H-110 powder (See chronograph data below) 2.230 COL (2.260 is max for AR-15) Use load data at your own risk. Should look something like this data: S Slowbolt Registered Joined Mar 26, 2022 8 Posts N110: Similar to Hodgdon H110 and Winchester 296. Can be used in small rifle cartridges like the .22 Hornet and .30 Carbine. (Call for this load data) I started this load like I do many. I love my H110 for supers with my 110g V-Max. A bunch CFE Pistol and a bunch of Blue Dot. There was one odd round that had a very low velocity. While testing was limited, during the same range session I tried ladder loads with all 3 powders with the same brass, bullets and primers. For supersonic or subsonic loads? Known for its ability to deliver heavy subsonic bullets for standard AR magazines while cycling the action in suppressed applications, it also works well with lighter supersonic loads, offering a similar external ballistic performance to the 7.62x39mm Russian ( check out my 300 AAC Blackout Review from September 2012 ). Here's a simple task you can do that will give your seater die a more perfect fit to your match bullets. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. It woukd be hard to raise pressures to dangerous levels with this powder. One new winner* is announced every week! H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. Hodgdon says the starting load of cfe blk for that Hyd 110 vmax is 22.5C The 'C' after a load means 'compressed'. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. Using federal AR match primer. I like H110 under Barnes 110gr TAC-TX. Just to add more interesting stuff to the mixI ordered a little bottle of Puff-Lon to see what I can do. 1011 Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. Im not going to hunt deer with it. I adjusted my die up in the press and its smoother but man its still marring the bullets with both seating stems. by alamo5000 Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:35 pm, Post That should do the trick for 44 Mag. The table I shoot from is white, there was a fair amount debris on the table from the ejection port. 896 fps I could drop .5gr powder to lower the load to the minimum but I doubt it would then not deform the bullets. and eight-pound (8-lb.) CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs - AR15.COM AR-15 AR Pistols Site Notices TNVC vSHOTT 2023 Livestream MAR 21-23 - Win a TNVC Custom Cobalt Kinetics CK-PRO Rifle! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I was going to Houston anyway but it's a big city with lots of traffic. JavaScript is disabled. When 350 Legend debuted, Winchester claimed it was the fastest straight wall cartridge ever released. Compressed CFE BLK 110 gr. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. Last weeks load of 11 grains at 2.255 had an ES just over 200 fps. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. (ft/s) PRESSURE 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT IMR IMR 4198 .308" 2.260" 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Winchester 296 .308" 2.260" . I use mostly Hornady heads and I really like this caliber. I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. The same case holds 26.3 grains of CFE BLk. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. CFE BLK is a spherical (ball) powder. Accurate 1680 is good for subs and h110, cfe blk, imr 4227 and lil gun work good for supersonic loads. As someone said above, maybe the case capacity of this brass is lower causing it to be more full???? In all honesty I do not shoot enough 1680 as a sub powder to compare the two without loading and shooting them side by side. COSteve, I read your post, and I take it that none of the H110 comparison was with 300BO, correct? Although I had lock back on empty, I had possibly the highest ES/SD numbers in recorded history. This spreads out the seating force over a larger area of the bullet jacket. Brass looks fine. Click "Get Data" to view results. Rem 7 1/2 And Sierra's three 110 gr. Clear Ballistics Gel Test, Kimber Camp Guard ? 8 barrel 208 Hornady Amax of H-110 which is our standard loading and it gave 1,151 fps at 42,500 psi. CFE BLK did have exceptional accuracy though worth the 110 Vmax. Thanks for the responses, I'll stay on the lookout for info, maybe Hodgdon will eventually explain or change if wrong. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. Wolf Small Rifle Magnum primers. Sounds like a good group, and a lot of powder. For more information, please see our "Their answer is that no, it burns at the same temperature as H110". interesting. Berry's 220 grain 300 Blackout bullets. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. I will say that it has all the qualities inherent to 1680 that drove me to work hard to find a substitute. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? A first look at the new Hodgdon CFE BLK powder for 300 blackout. I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. I did not take a picture of trigger group, it was actually still very clean. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. - Lowell George. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. yeah thats pretty bad its not just a mark, I have a nice area 419 funnel Im using and I tap them down when filling to get it to settle. If you're looking for a multi-purpose load for the .300 AAC Blackout, this may be the best bullet. Starting in January, 2017, CFE BLK powder will be available in both one-pound (1-lb.) IMR 4227 is a lot closer to that original powder, and it works well in 300 Blackout. "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans." . Back to the Hornady 208 Amax. CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. hardcast loaded to 2.250". H110 and WW296 are the same powder, different containers. The first thing I noticed when I opened a one pound jug was that it looked like they shorted me a half pound of powder. The powder is growing on me in a carbine gas system. The CFE Pistol is made for 9X19, 40, 38 Super and such. 1047 Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. Hodgdon H110 $38.99 - $291.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE 223 $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H335 $39.99 - $294.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon H4831SC $54.99 - $345.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE Pistol $36.99 - $262.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon Longshot $36.99 - $277.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon CFE BLK $39.99 - $297.99 Hodgdon Hodgdon RETUMBO $54.99 - $391.99 Hodgdon I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. Chronoed using a magnetto. A sub sonic load was louder than I am used to for a bolt action. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas I would of expected more velocity in 10 of barrel. . This week 11.5 grains at 2.195 had and ES 56, SD 21. You can lap the inside of the seater stem so that it matches the exact profile of the bullet. maximum average pressure for the 218 Bee is 40,000 CUP. Unfortunately, the majority of all 7.6239 cases are made of steel and feature a Berdan Primer. It's a very dense powder. _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); I have loaded and shot the 44 Mag since the late 50's. I currently have a Smith 69, the 5 shot revolver on the "L" frame, and . We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. I have compared it to IMR 4198, RL7, 1680, Norma 200, and Vit powders N110, N120, N130, N530 & N133. BTW, 18.5 grs pushing 110 gr Hornady SP's are way more accurate out of my cheap PSA rifle than I would have ever figured staring out. This powder does not compress easily. Hodgdon H322. alamo5000 I won't go into powers or practices as other, better men than I have already spoken however if you, or anyone here for that matter, need to order on line might I suggest Graf & Sons. The first test was 25.0 grs. 21.98, 21.98 While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. 1023 average with 14.0 sd out of a 16" Ruger American. . Is there an aftermarket seating stem for these V-Max? Winchester 296 . My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. Muzzle Velocity: 2,259 fps. 8.6 BLK H110 vs CFE BLK I've got a load worked up using both A1680 and H110 for my 8" gas gun build. Optimized for the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge, CFE BLK works great for .300 Blackout loads in AR-type rifles throughout the range of bullet weights. Only powders I've used for BLK so far is 1680 and H110, under 150gr Hornady FMJ BTs. The 300 is a heavy for caliber version of the 30 carbine. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Ill drop the charge weight then. 56 ES by dellet Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:27 pm, Post H110 made sense to me since I load .357 sometimes. It is only fifty yards, I am quite sure at 100 I would measure it in feet. 11.5 grn https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406443/Screenshot_2019-05-14_at_6_52_41_AM-944706.png. Classifieds 282 Gender:Male ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. JavaScript is disabled. Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. I've only used LilGun. It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. This is compared with H110 at 52,800 PSI and IMR 4227 at 48,700 PSI. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). After thousands of rds of both calibers I can say it is a good powder for full power loads in magnum calibers. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. FYI I have since found the 125gr FMJ #30196 is FAR better for cheap supers in the caliber, and loaded over 20gr of CFE BLK it is decent, but CFE BLK is better suited as a subsonic powder (or with the 110gr v-max), H110/W296 is FAR better for most supers, 18gr under that 125gr bullet crimped to the cannelure is accurate and IIRC at least 100FPS Its a very dense powder. 1038 (And from what some say, can possibly go faster). So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. For lightweight supers the density is too high and yeah you'll be compressing even at starting load. I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. CFE BLK Meters Well and Burns Clean 848 fps I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); 2023 Day At The Range. Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. 21.96, 22.00. For me this powder was very expensive fertilizer until I started getting the bullet down into the powder. This is the results of five shots. That makes CFE BLK ideal for small cartridges such as the .17 Hornet and .221 Fireball. I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. I just need to figure out if a different seating stem would fit the bullets better. In my 300 blk bolt action CZ 527 with 16" barrel, I had better chrono data and groups with 1680 and Lil gun than I did with CFE blackout for the 220 grain subsonic loads I typically shoot. I have always had good luck with H110 and WW296 for that case . It's suppose to be a good powder between Lil Gun, win296/H110 and A1680, SWB, CFE BLK. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. It is going to be in the neighborhood of HS-6, which is too fast for your gun. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. (At least that would be my guess, if the data is accurate). More shooting will sort that out. The others were fine in the bolt, but AR reliability dropped significantly with subs with H110 and 4227. It looks about like you would expect given the velocity spreads. I think Al in MI uses 300-MP with good results. The difference in velocity between a 10" and 16" is minimal due to the efficency of the 300BO. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. Starting with heavy supers where I have questioned their load data pressure claims before. After reading the threads posted I felt more comfortable compressing the load to the 2.050 COL. Hodgdon Tite Group. Almost all loads for this powder call for it to be compressed, some quite a bit. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs Posted: 9/2/2018 10:02:19 AM EDT Originally Posted by Varmint Shooter. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout . Its not quite that bad, but seemed that way. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. I dont really shoot subs so Im sticking with H110/W296 for now for my 125 TNT and 147-150gr FMJs. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. by ThreeHundredBlackout Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm, Post You could try seating a bullet with no powder and see how the bullet looks . 1063 In this case, with 11.5 grains in the case, bullet seated on the powder, COL is 2.220. I'm curious how users who reload have experienced with an SBR or AR Pistol in 300 AAC Blackout with CFE BLK and H110. For subs I was again interested in flash suppression and noise. bullets all come in, again, at shorter COAL than Barnes (1.970 and 1.845, respectively, vs. Barnes' 2.250). Very accurate. 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. Thats a big benefit for varmint shooters, who may put hundreds of rounds through a barrel in a single day on the varmint fields. I shoot 243 for coyotes and shoot 58gr to 100 gr bullets. Rem 7 1/2 primer I put .025 compression on the powder. 21.88, 22.08 I will probably wnd up grabbing some H110 if Insee it locally. Hodgdon has announced a new faster variant of its popular CFE 223 powder. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. Not being argumentative, just curious. 2.185 COL I have not used H110 in my blackout, but I have had very good luck with CFE BLK. Awesome, thanks. -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. It is just too loud for me and there are to many better choices. CFE BLK is also well-suited for the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 Russian cartridge. I dropped the charge .3 grn because I wanted to test velocity in both an 8 pistol gas system and an 18 carbine. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. Zeroed it at 50. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. Please note that I do not load subsonic. Barnes has load data for that bullet, but does not list CFE BLK. when I discounted that as a possible loading error the ES dropped to 24, SD 10. these are numbers that are a reasonable to start with. For 150 grain bullets: IMR 4227 2.235" Min 16.5 1,785 41,800 CUP Max 17.8 1,908 50,200 CUP Sierra loads for H4227 (I have the Sierra pages printed): H4227 16.0 at 1800 fps to 17.5 at 1950 fps _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); 18.5/H110/125 Sierra SP grouped in 1/2--3/4" range from my Contender . 1007 fps Work up. (function() { The 300 is very close to the 30 carbine so that is why it is used. 19 IMR Co IMR GREEN 69 Hodgdon CFE BLK 119 Norma 204 20 Winchester WST 70 Norma 200 120 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V . and our Barrel time. Any experience with CFE BLK in magnum revolvers? I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. Here is a target at fifty yards. _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); [ARCHIVED THREAD] - CFE BLK vs. H110 for 300 AAC Blackout for Short Barrel ARs. I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and AR15 Pistols. 73802E56-837F-48A2-A7B4-AF21CA7EB748.jpeg, FF62D836-B35B-4269-9A64-85377653D7E4.jpeg. If so, are you suggesting that there should be a direct correlation with how H110 will perform in 300BO and your example calibers/cartridges? It's interesting that Hodgdon shows 20g is max load, but Hornady shows 20.2g. Share the post "New Hodgdon CFE BLK Powder Great for Small Cartridges", Tags: .221 Fireball, AR, AR16, Ball Powder, CFE 223, CFE BLK, Copper Fouling Eraser, Data Center, Hodgdon, Reduced Fouling. These subsonic 300 Blackout loads require 30 caliber bullets in the 190-250 grain range which can get real expensive real quick! If you want maximum velocity, try Alliant 300MP. 23 of 110 is hot as hell Im running 19 with the Barnes 110s and I thought that was stout. Hodgdon CFE BLK. I always record where the bullet will touch the powder. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. First round had a fairly large flash, next two were just a few sparks, noise was moderate. A very popular cartridge, this 50AE based case contains a .308 style Hodgdons new CFE BLK (named after the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge) has a faster burn rate than the original CFE 223. 771 fps Shooters World BLACKOUT. The carbine gas system was not so bad, cycled and locked back with no problem. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. Hodgdon H110. I am feeling a little better about the powder and will try to run a couple more loads this weekend. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. "Sometimes - those who dont socialize much arent actually anti-social They just have no tolerance for drama, stupidity, and fake people". Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. 11.2 grn No where did they have any VV powder and I wasn't going to drive around anymore than I already did. 240 SMK var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; var _gaq = _gaq || []; But note, seating depth can make a significant difference in pressures. 774 fps CFE BLK specks, performance and handling are nearly a mirror image of Vit120,, except CFE is a bit . 300 AAC Blackout (7.62 x 35 mm) (300 BLK) 125 gr. I use H110 mostly for 410 shotshells and 450 Bushmaster heavy loads. It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. 11.2 CFE BLK Really wish my chrono would not flake out at these higher rifle speeds. The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. check out the. Surprisingly they list Lil'Gun as their preferred powder and not H110 or W296. Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I am working with Lil' Gun right now working up loads for a new addition for me, 458 SOCOM. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. averaging 3428 fps. It wasnt the original GI powder, by any means. I got like 5lbs of it for around $10-12/lb and its worked great for 125-150gr supers. By 150 grains they are neck and neck. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. A little more tuning on this load and it will be time to stretch it out. I have used Win 296 (same as H110) with good results in subsonic 300 Blk using Sierra 220gr and Hornady 208gr Amax shot out of a 8.5" SBR with a can. I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. 300 Blackout Journey Page 7 Hammer Of Thor, 300 Blackout Journey Page 10-Competition Electronics Digital Link, Reloading 300 Blackout: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300, I Am Coming Out: 308 Subsonic AR10 vs AR15 300 Blackout 200gr Hornady ELD-X, Comprehensive Corrosion Test: 46 Products Compared, Waltz, DRock, PacoAcuRzr resizing dies bulk 22LR testing, A tribute to William Mike Willard of Swamp Fox Ammunition, The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ?S-670 40 AMOTFORS ? Five shot groups for both barrel lengths. Always start low. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. JMHO, but I would back off of that. Next step for me is to load some like I think they should be loaded, instead of the given data. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). Not quite 1680 loud, but considering the amount of snow on the ground to absorb the noise it was slightly obnoxious. In a carbine gas I think it has some real potential. You must log in or register to reply here. })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post Dellet from 300blacktalk.com forum, ?the leading premiere media outlet where you can learn any and everything about the 300 Blackout caliber?shares his thoughts on the new CFEBLK powder released by Hodgdon after many hours of loading and testing. If they are growing, you have too much compression. 1056 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. 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