Copyright 2023, Moss Motors, Ltd. All rights reserved. A 100 points restoration will likely not be driven regularly and MUST be fitted with all correct, original equipment, whereby a daily driver will likely have sensible modifications and upgrades to make it useable in a modern environment. I know it sounds silly, but you dont get that soundtrack with a modern car and it DOES add something to the classic driving experience. Thanks guys. I somehow missed the comment from Dave. Original part number is AZX1318, but positive earthed fuel pumps are non longer availables : Fortunately SU fuel pumps are now dual polarity. Fits 377-435 Fuel Regulator. I dont think this side of the story ever made it on the message boards. Indeed, Ive done many of the upgrades mentioned earlier, and all have contributed significantly to its usability, reliability, and my enjoyment of the car without compromising that all important character. Mounting was one. Cheers!Can't Let Her DieDIYIf you want to e-mail me directly use this: CantLetHerDieDIY@gmail.com******************************************************************************************** Moss Motors and Amazon links to Products \u0026 Tools used in this video. I contacted the vendor for more information since their catalog description was very brief. Michael Newhouse. If you have a leak in this pipe it introduces air into the fuel system and changes the mixture. Its still a car, not a transportation appliance! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I used crimp-on male spade connectors to allow the pump to plug into the stock wiring harness using the OE female spades. I seem to recall that this is WAY too much. Suitable replacement for both mechanical and electric fuel pumps. How to change front anti roll bar links on Mercedes W204 replacement guide, How to change rear brake caliper on Audi A3 8L1 replacement guide, How to change air filter on VW Sharan 1 replacement guide, How to change serpentine belt on Citron Berlingo M replacement guide, How to change front brake discs on Skoda Octavia 1Z5 replacement guide, How to change rear coil springs on VW Sharan 1 replacement guide. I think this allowed a lot of misperceptions to flourish, with what may have been isolated problems expanding to almost mythic proportions thanks to the magic of the internet. How about going with a modern cube type pump? In the meantime I did find out the ECCO SU style replacement pump was made in New Zealand by a company called Fuelflow Solutions Limited. Does any one out there with this pump have the same problem? These are common symptoms of a potentially bad fuel pump: A lack of power when "under load" (at highway speeds or laden with people/cargo). The units are fully sealed, weatherproof, and corrosion resistant. Another key point of difference is the switching electronics which incorporate state-of-the-art optic switching rather than flutter prone inductive or magnetic switching. Steen. You order one up and swap it out. These mounting bosses are also on the original SU pump, so if you have an application that mounts in this fashion, youre covered. $64.79. I was pleasantly surprised my e-mail inquiry was answered within an hour. Telephone: +64 7 863 8101 Its a shame because our failure rate is 1 in 5000 units so we are hard to equal regarding quality and it never ceases to amaze me when I read the (British car) forums as to just how much you guys put up with regarding faulty or unreliable products.. Here is high praise: When a pro racer BUYS your product rather than seeking out a sponsorship from another pump manufacturer! After checking out the problem I found that the braided suction hose from the tank to the pump was cracked. Unique design features allow progressive switching of current to enable near silent operation, minimal vibration and no radio interference. Because of this approach we now have a very unique and high performing nylon washer that we never had before so thats a great outcome No dodging the issue. DO NOT REUSE FUEL STRAINER. Fuelflow Solutions Limited is the pioneer in composite fuel pump technology, and has been perfecting this technology for over 50 years. So I'm trying to set my carbs and now discover thar my PO installed aftermarket fuel pump is putting out 5.5 PSI. Had pretty much the same thing happen in the wifes car. Those brass fittings are (about 99% of the time) PIPE THREAD fittings. $47.32. These have a taper on them and use the threads to seal via progressive expansion. I disconnected a joint in the fuel line and fitted a longer length of fuel pipe leading into a poly plastic bottle, switched on the ignition and after 1 minute i dont think i got even a quarter pint!! Guess Graham is pretty serious about this quality stuff! BACK ORDER - We are temporarily out of stock on this item. 100% Pressure and Flow-rate tested in-house Includes all required hardware for installation $32.09 In Australia and NZ we have converted large parts of the market from (the cube pump) to Fuelflow., Obviously, this is not some fly by night outfit. Instant fuel delivery means no priming damage to the pump during initial start up. Fuel Pump Assembly - SU Electronic Type - Original Design - Negative Earth - AZX1311EL Requires 2 x 150942 bolt for installation Qty Req-1, Model-Roadsters GHN 3 44439 on (1964 on) & All GTs, Negative Earth only 4.5Read 3 Review (s) Rate and Review this Product AZX1311EL In stock Most express orders ship today! You can ask a question about this replacement on our online. Cheers, Dave DuBois 1953 MGTD 1966 MGB http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ DrEntropy Great Pumpkin Gold Fuel pumps Fuel tank & fittings Fuel lines 1962-1970 Fuel Lines 1971-1974 1/2 Fuel lines 1974 1/2 -1976 . Can't Let Her DieDIY assumes no liability for property damage or injury incurred as a result of any of the information contained in this video. I had a spare pump that i had bought about a year ago as a standby because from my minivan days i knew these pumps have a high risk of problems so time to fit it. 4 psi maximum. As you run the fitting down and the threaded part gets thicker, of course it will try to expand the female threaded boss fitting and crack it. I'll try the gas can idea first. Now replacing a fuel pump is no big deal. Either option seemed to have its limitations to being truly reliable, for some reason, in this car. How to remove the Fuel Pump from a 1965-1980 MGB. The banjo fittings need to be good and tight needing the help of a vice. CantLetHerDieDIY 3.11K subscribers Subscribe 627 views 1 month ago Scroll down for. October 5, 2014 @ 11:09 pm The lines and carbs filled and the clicking ceased. # mpn4636548843. If you run across an inappropriate post, for example a post that breaks our rules or looks like it might be spam, you can report the post to the moderators: JavaScript is disabled. 2022 Copyright Bournemouth & Poole MGOC. Will definitely advise our local supplier of BritishSport Jacked up car, rear wheel off, disconnected fuel pipes, released pump and electrical connections from inside the boot and out it came. I have prime the fuel till it come out in cab. Part 1 Just a simple Thing you can do to make your Mgb fuel pump run again soon I will have another video on how to completely clean and refurbish the pump i. AboutPressCopyrightContact. Alas, I could not find another new one ( I even tried to find one when I was in New Zealand in 1989, but my search came up empty handed.) Classic Mini, Austin Healey, MGB 1962-69, Midget & Sprite 1962-69. The ECCO SU style replacement pump by Fuelflow Solutions Limited is definitely worth considering if you are looking for a plug and play high reliability option that retains, in a small way, the character of the classic British car. mods I do on my own MGB. hope you find them useful. And will this one work? They also compensate for fluctuations in temperature. Graham, in all of our e-mail exchanges and discussions, never, ever speaks poorly of the competition, choosing instead to let the quality and value of his products speak for himrefreshingly commendable stance in these modern times. He stated they are very resistant to moving their manufacturing offshore, even though there would be significant financial benefits in doing so, and feels that quality is best maintained in his own facility: We are very small but we compete on the world stage well above other larger organizations, said Graham. Reportedly, the podium winners in both Australia and New Zealand are running their pumps. May 6, 2015 @ 4:05 am March 10, 2015 @ 9:28 am But I wanted an original SU replacement to avoid any change in pump's fittings and hoses. I now have one of your 15L12M pumps to be installed into my 57 MGA Roadster with an Automatic T35 tranny, 65 1800 5 main engine. All you guys here on the BCF are AT LEAST as smart as the old farmers!! I found experts who condemned them without ever trying them. Weve been doing so since 1956 and despite all the tough times right now we are stubbornly holding on to our processes and products and resisting the temptation to move to off-shore production. Now I was getting into a fuel system redesign On top of that, the cube type pumps are very noisy. Sounds like they have a pretty good thing going down there, and have stayed pretty much off the radar of the rest of the world, to their benefit. Key. After setting for a few seconds, it started up and ran for a couple minutes and quit again. Sort By. Upon arrival, I was pleased to see it included instructions, a mount, and correctly threaded plastic thread-to-barbed-end-hose-fittings. Rand Smith, Gents, I recently heard about the ECCO pumps and have had a temporary replacement to a worn SU which is a metallic in-line electric pump with attached filter to its inlet end. However, many, many people have gone for years without any trouble from their SU pumps so they still have a lot going for them. What I wanted was an SU style pump that maintained the same functioning characteristics of the original, but with modern reliability, durability, materials, and would essentially bolt in the existing mounts and allow the original fuel delivery system to remain intact. The majority of the cost comes from the parts themselves, while labor costs are usually fairly consistent. Unlike many parts of the world neither the New Zealand made pumps (regardless of the distribution channel) or the European made pumps were available widely or consistently in the U.S. Our inventory contains components made by reputable companies like SU and Burlen Fuel Systems, so you can be sure you're receiving genuine, high-quality components. Tools more than pay for themselves in the $ you save doing the work yourself. What replacement fuel pump you should purchase. July 21, 2015 @ 9:17 pm Fax: +64 7 863 8523, May 29, 2014 @ 6:57 am Indeed, they still make a large range of piston style pumps that compete against the ubiquitous cube style fuel pump. This BEK114 Electronic fuel pump kit is suitable for all MGB models from 1965-1974 & all MGC models. 117-462. MGB The car that changed the automobile industry. Because of its location under the car, replacing the fuel pump is best done using a car lift to raise it to a workable height. (Therefore, it can be used in either positive or negative ground application.) I heard mention on British car enthusiast message boards of SU style electronic replacement pumps being available, but made of plastic. Simply disconnect the intake fuel hose (flexible pipe) from the fuel tank and place it in a small transparent container of fuel. . Thanks JPprobably the best idea :frown: Don't look so sad - it's not actually that difficult on the Midget - can't imagine it would be harder on the B. Interesting. is there a filter between the tank and the pump? Graham continues: Our piston pump range competes directly with that style (cube) of pump and offers great value for money. A known issue with the points type SU pump. We aren't sure what is on the end of the line inside the tank. Hard to execute though when Maggy died in the middle of the busiest street in town, but a useful skill nonetheless! We have a special forum called "Member Articles" where you can submit actual articles for consideration for publication. Thanks for this review its put my mind at rest. Solid state photo optic switching delivers efficient operation and brings together modern technology with proven authentic design. These old farmers are pretty smart. Again, a few words from Graham: The US market is a particularly difficult market for us to get traction in. If you see the level going down and up repeatedly while the fuel pump is clicking like mad, then the intake valve is stuck in the open position. I began to consider my options. These free detailed Fuel Supply System manuals were compiled by professionals and are based on the design specifics of the particular model. Needless to say, my confidence was a bit shaken and upon returning to my shop the diagnosis began. By the way, although I am a daily driver, I love the old point distributors 25D4, the SU HS4s and the original radiator. Some said they werent made anymore because the quality was so bad the company went bust. TODAY ! At this price I bought a spare for the boot which is all wired up and with a set of banjo plugs already installed. Perhaps for a while until the points burned. The old SU electronic pump was less than 3 years old when it failed and was a pain to change over (tiny brass nuts are not fun to play with on a dark night in the rain on a country road). It contains all the parts required to replace your existing fuel pump. Fuelflow Solutions Limited CONTINUALLY improves the quality of their product as advances in material, circuits, and manufacturing become available. Requires 2 x 150942 bolt for installation. Bring your vehicle's fuel system back to its top shape with this top-notch part. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I seem to recall that this is WAY too much. Just fitted the smaller model to my 75 Beetle after having too many problems with mechanical pump pushrod lengths. It sounds like someone bolted a buzzer to the frame rails. There was a period of international growth with their pumps being picked up by MOPROD in Europe, a major parts reseller, as well as other similar sized distributors throughout the world. See full listing. I feel SU makes a good pump. Ive just mounted one of these on my Silver Shadow. Weve been exporting to almost every other country for over 50 years but the US is a particularly difficult market to engage with for some reason. . It can track car expenses, keep a car log and replacement schedule, and save favourite materials, notes and documents, 2023: https://club.autodoc.co.uk AUTODOC CLUB. Enter the new century and Mr. Ken Hogg, despite international success with these pumps, contemplates retirement but with no succession plan for the business also assumed it would go into retirement as well. Made in NZ ensures world class quality. MGB Fuel pump banjo union 65-80 Item #: AUC8398 Universal banjo union. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The old pump It indeed IS a direct fit. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. This in the market then out of the market reality marginalized the entire products perception and credibility. Hi, All they make are fuel pumps. A closer look at Fuelflow Solutions website reveals that the SU replacement pump is only one of many fuel pumps they currently manufacture. Pump runs,filter between tank and pump is clear. It seems silly, but that clicking is part of the character of the car and kind of important to me! It pretty much solves that issue. Mr. Wilkinson is proud of his company and workforce. Plastic Body Fuel Pump by ECCO, dual polarity, Solid State Electronic Double Fuel Pump by genuine SU, Negative Ground, Premium Printed Circuit Fuel Sending Units, Solid State Electronic Fuel Pump by genuine SU, Barricade Ethanol Proof Fuel Hose by Gates (Sold per inch), Dynolite Valve Guard Lead and Fuel Treatment. There is a lot stacked in their favor, but the ultimate choice is up to YOU, the consumer. Remember that character thing I mentioned? Rubber Bumper #MGB - check you have the correct coil. Due to factors beyond the control of Can't Let Her DieDIY, no information contained in this video shall create any express or implied warranty or guarantee of any particular result. The pumps use a proprietary, optical, switching circuit. Go into "Account Details" to change your Avatar. Can be used with 5/16" fuel hose. Cover the exposed spline or hub to avoid getting greasy. I had been planning for a while to refit the original carbs so seemed a good time to do it. No duck and cover. I have every expectation that its durability will be on par with modern day fuel pumps operated under similar conditions. Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Anton de Kock. They are serious and dedicated about what they do. Yep, a failure out would leave me mighty pissed-off and would surely end with me being buzzard food. Currently, the ECCO pump is becoming more available in the U.S. I suppose it closely resembles a Soviet era East German made refrigerator part, or something. So, lets consider these the second generation COMPOSITE pumps since they are so different and markedly better than any of the previous versions or variants. MGB Fuel Pump Remove and Replace. MG MGB 1.8L 1973, In-Line Electric Fuel Pump by GMB. Although we could not identify any of our pumps that actually had this problem we took the time to address that part of our pump anyway. March 29, 2015 @ 4:07 pm One thing I noticed immediately. 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Can't Let Her DieDIY recommends safe practices when working with power tools, automotive lifts, lifting tools, jack stands, electrical equipment, blunt instruments, chemicals, lubricants, or any other tools or equipment seen or implied in this video. Instructions say to mount as low as possible to bottom of fuel tank at a 45 degree angle with inlet down. Classic Mini, Austin Healey, MGB 1962-69, Midget & Sprite 1962-69. Many of the ultra light aircraft used to patrol game preserves in Africa and sometimes for photography are fitted with their lightweight composite pumps. Once I realized that a restart was likely, all I could do was to further refine a skill I developed when I had my Lotus Europa that of looking cool beside a dead British car. It should be noted that the pump comes with an end-cap type mount that would allow for direct bolting to a bulkhead. Sending Unit, fuel gauge, MGB, upgraded replacement: All GTs MG RD from March 65 to car 415000 In Stock: 1: $45.95. No fuel to the pump. Fuelflow Solutions Limited, as it is known now, was founded in New Zealand in 1956 by Mr. Ken Hogg who operated under the name of Service Units Limited. My S.U. If you need to replace the diode/resistor assembly, you will need to have the washer, but the cost of having one shipped from V/B. If that is the issue, drain the tank, pull the tank and get it cleaned (and possibly relined). This brings us to Fuelflow Solutions Limiteds new name and current owner Mr. Graham Wilkinson who purchased the company in May 2009. Carter In-Line Electric Fuel Pump compatible with MG MGB 1.8L L4 1963-1981 Air Delivery Pumps No reviews $5210 FREE delivery Apr 5 - 7 Only 8 left in stock - order soon. (They may be the only manufacturer using optic switching in fuel pumps.) Period. Fuelflow Solutions Limited can be reached via their website: http://www.fuelflow.co.nz or their factory address: Fuelflow Solutions Ltd. Facet cube pumps in a low pressure version works well. Use #14 AWG wire or larger and a 10 amp fuse. You'll be glad you did. Fuel Pump Replacement Cost Comparison Your Mechanic Midas Mr. Tire NAPA We were out one day last summer and the car started to sputter and die. Each time, after allowing for a few minutes, she would restart and run well for about another mile or so then sputter out. She presents very well indeed, but wont take home any concour trophies. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. These pumps arent cheap and dont seem to be as reliable as modern pumps (in my case). Place these over the holes for the top bolts. This pump is self regulating so there is no need to install a separate regulator to manage pressure, This pump features a uniquely designed restrictor tube to maintain a stable fuel system pressure between 3-4 psi in a return-to-tank system. No vent tubes are needed since the pump is completely sealed. Some on the internet stated they were SU knock-offs made in China. Is there a decent one to by at NAPA or somewhere that won't cost an arm and a leg? The suction line was supposed to be ordered and to get it running I used the old line TEMPORARILY! Part of that character or charm is the gentle clicking of the SU pump. I noticed it keeps the fuel filter bulb full all the time. 75 MGB problem. As soon as the total number of user requests for this tutorial reaches 100, well create a PDF tutorial and a video tutorial and email you links to them. The usual explanation, as in this case, is a faulty fuel pump that can be coaxed back into life, if all be it temporary, with a swift clout from a spanner. New pump installed, ready to refit the pulley, fan, radiator and bottom hose. Lift, 11.5-9 PSI, 33 GPH, All customers get FREE Shipping on orders over $25 shipped by Amazon, Automotive Replacement Fuel Pumps & Accessories, Automotive Replacement Electric Fuel Pumps, Automotive Replacement Mechanical Fuel Pumps. Graham: The pumps are made from a range of high quality (composite) plastic materials that were chosen over metal simply because they are harder wearing, durable, light, and quiet,etc. Couldn't find an answer to your question in the tutorials? Since introducing the new material 10 years ago, not a single diaphragm failure has been reported, and when you consider that this is a traditionally weak point in this style of pump this is a very worthwhile enhancement.. You Got This! Dual polarity and so can be fitted to either positive or negative earth vehicles. Subscribe to updates so you don't miss out on new guides. A thorough examination of the entire fuel AND electrical/ground systems revealed nothing amiss, and I suspected that many of the previous pumps may have failed due to prolonged sitting (often months) between drives. Thanks. Fuel line attachment was straightforward. Instead, I thought Id take the opportunity to learn more about the company, their products, how they are made, what issues will they acknowledge, and what their philosophy is. How to Install a Fuel Pump on a 1965 to 1980 MGB. Momentary loss of power (electrical) 80MGB. Oh my. The banjo fittings need to be good and tight needing the help of a vice. The line from our fuel tank comes down and line to carbs is lowerwe had to mount the pump basically upside down. GMB In-Line Electric Fuel Pump. You will find all the aftermarket parts you need for your MG MGB on NAPAonline from batteries, brakes, headlights and windshield wipers to engine, transmission, ignition and steering parts. These free detailed Fuel Supply System manuals were compiled by professionals and are based on the design specifics of the particular model. But there were also issues in going that route as well. Thanks so much for all of the above praise and dialogue. I understand that these pumps by HUCO are still available, but appear to not have been developed further beyond their original introduction spec. Depending on what model of pump you have, you should get 1 pint . Being housed in an exposed position under the car (rubber bumper models had the pump relocated inside the boot) means that the fuel pump is vulnerable to both damage and corrosion and eventually it is going to reach the end of its useable life. Fortunately we were very close to home and we made it back before it quit again. More details 12. At this same time, they began supplying pumps and more crucially plastic pump technology to another pump maker and supplier in Germany, HUCO. Its white knuckle stuff but its also fun. You gotta admire that. It wasnt an easy decision to change over from SU on a car like this so I hope the internals and performance are as good as they sound. Indeed, many of these improvements can make the difference between being able to use the vehicle in a modern traffic environment with confidence, or one becoming a garage queen. Overall, its the character that counts so much in the classic British car ownership experience. Job done. Another SU perhaps? Order Fuel feed unit for MG MGB easily at AUTODOC. The ECCO SU style replacement pump by Fuelflow Solutions Limited is definitely worth considering if you are looking for a "plug and play" high reliability option that retains, in a small way, the character of the classic British car. Along that vein of thought, there are some pretty common sense upgrades that just about everyone will do without question. Next, disconnect the unions and breather pipe, loosen the pump bracket (normally two bolts) and remove the pump, being careful with the electrical connections. Keep your classic MG on the road with high quality parts from British Parts Northwest. They are perfect for Mustangs, Chevys and other old school V8s. Stuart Rhodes, Hi Graham, could you please let me know which pump you would advise for a replacement of old su on a 1970 1800 cc MGB,and cost with postage to paraparumu thanking you.Stuart Rhodes email stuart599bb@gmail.com. Move to Wish List Price Match 1978 MGB - Part 7 Replacing the fuel tank and fuel pump! He spoke at length about the vibration resistance, shock absorbing qualities, and sound deadening properties of JUST THE MOUNT!). Hmmmm BTW, Graham is proud of his pump mounts. Docsometimes I readd too fast or not completely :frown: I guess. But what about the bad rap that seems to have stuck to these plastic SU replacement pumps? 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